Mr. VanDeventer called me this afternoon and indicated they are looking for LCR related
information, so the first bulleted item in their FOIA requests can be considered to be with
respect to LCR documents just like the second and third bullet.
He also indicated that his use of the phrase, “water testing standards and protocols used to
test the community water supply...” was referring to the analytical procedures. | suggested
he contact the state laboratory to get the information about the analytical procedures they
use for analyzing lead. | said that some of these large systems may also use another
certified laboratory, and he would have to contact those laboratories should he want that
information.
He mentioned that some district staff had informed him there may be a central repository
for this information. 90" percentile calculations since 2011 are stored in SDWIS, but
individual lead results are not. As the Grand Rapids district first noted, these requests do
not specifically ask for actual results, but seem to be more aimed at the implementation of
the LCR. | would assume any compliance determination correspondence since January
of 2011 would be included. If actual results have been included with correspondence that
fits the request, so be it.
Please proceed to fill these FOIA requests.
Richard
Richard Benzie, P.E., Chief
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Field Operations Section
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance, MDEQ
517-284-6512
FYI. If | don’t here from the requestor by Monday, we will fill this request on the assumption
that they are interested in the lead and copper monitoring program.
Richard Benzie, P.E., Chief
Field Operations Section
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance, MDEQ
517-284-6512
FYI. We can discuss this matter further at our upcoming FOS Managers meeting.
Richard Benzie, P.E., Chief
Field Operations Section
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance, MDEQ
517-284-6512
After discussing this matter with Kris Philip and others here in Lansing, | am planning to call
Farough & Associates tomorrow to see if they will clarify their request. For those of you
that have received this request for a water system in your district, we want to respond
consistently. We need to know if they are primarily interested in LCR information, or are
they requesting additional compliance data. A broad interpretation of their first bullet could
imply they are looking for all correspondence related to compliance with the public water
supply program and Act 399. We would also like to know what they mean by “water
testing standards and protocols.” Is it just water testing protocols, or is it protocols for the
PWSS program in general? | will let you know as soon as | get a response.
Just a quick heads up that we are arranging a brown bag session for ODWMA employees in an
attempt to explain what is happening with Flint.
| know it is short notice, but we have reserved the ConCon Room for Thursday at 11:00 AM. We will
provide a call-in option for district offices. Hopefully, at least some staff from each district will
participate and fill in those who cannot alter their schedules on short notice.
More details about the call-in number will follow as we confirm arrangements and/or they become
available. | wanted you to know as soon as we were able to reserve a room.
Richard
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Stephen Busch, P.E.
Lansing and Jackson District Supervisor
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
DEQ
7-643-2314
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Here are the two separate emails that Steve sent to the hospitals in Flint that Mike and he visited recently.to discuss’ .
premise plumbing issues. .
Each of the émails has the 3. attachments that were mentioned in the managers meeting today.
The email messages outline an approach we should-all follow for now when dealing with these facilities on this issue.
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Here are the two separate emails that Steve sent to the hospitals in Flint that Mike and he visited
recently to discuss premise plumbing issues.
Each of the emails has the 3 attachments that were mentioned in the managers meeting today.
The email messages outline an approach we should all follow for now when dealing with these
facilities on this issue.
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You grobably will get this request frorn the multl media coordinator as weil, but | think of district accomplishments as
programmatic successes that should be included in the overall ODWIMA accomplishments.
Sometimes these projects involve mare than district staff, Hhe aur involvement with Hint, DWSD, thelr emergency
managers, the State Treasurer and the Gavernor on the KWA pipeline.
Another example is the approval of and financing for the Bay Metro plant that that gets Bay City and customers out of
the vulnerable lower Saginaw Bay. It was accomplished with district and Revolving Loan Section staff.
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So ff you could each come up with 2 or 3 exarnples, | expect we would get half of them included for ODWMA. Mote the
deadline ~ Decernber 4°.
Date: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:58:36 PM
All —
| recently spoke with Randall Byrne (Treasury) and agreed to try to help them with a couple of items.
(Randy — sorry it’s taken me so long to get this note out).
1. Flint is considering selling the 72-inch pipeline. It was constructed in 1965 for $6.5M. How
would you determine fair market price for such an item? | suggested getting quotes from a
couple of contractors for what it would cost to install today and figure some kind of
depreciation for a 50 year old pipeline. Other ideas?
2. Treasury is looking for contractors that could possibly operate a distribution system. Could you
please provide a list of names/companies that are already doing this kind of work around
the state? United Water and Earth Tech were the ones that came to mind. There must be
others.
Thanks much.
Liane
Liane J. Shekter Smith, P.E., Chief
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality
517-373-9523
** Effective August 12, 2013 my new number will be (517) 284-6543
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Date: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:58:00 PM
All —
| recently spoke with Randall Byrne (Treasury) and agreed to try to help them with a couple of items.
(Randy — sorry it’s taken me so long to get this note out).
1. Flint is considering selling the 72-inch pipeline. It was constructed in 1965 for $6.5M. How
would you determine fair market price for such an item? | suggested getting quotes from a
couple of contractors for what it would cost to install today and figure some kind of
depreciation for a 50 year old pipeline. Other ideas?
2. Treasury is looking for contractors that could possibly operate a distribution system. Could you
please provide a list of names/companies that are already doing this kind of work around
the state? United Water and Earth Tech were the ones that came to mind. There must be
others.
Thanks much.
Liane
Liane J. Shekter Smith, P.E., Chief
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality
517-373-9523
** Effective August 12, 2013 my new number will be (517) 284-6543
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Date: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:43:15 PM
All —
| recently spoke with Randall Byrne (Treasury) and agreed to try to help them with a couple of items.
(Randy — sorry it’s taken me so long to get this note out).
1. Flint is considering selling the 72-inch pipeline. It was constructed in 1965 for $6.5M. How
would you determine fair market price for such an item? | suggested getting quotes from a
couple of contractors for what it would cost to install today and figure some kind of
depreciation for a 50 year old pipeline. Other ideas?
2. Highland Park is looking at contracting out their water department for the near future. At this
point, they would need a company that could manage their distribution system. Could you
please provide a list of names/companies that are already doing this kind of work around
the state? United Water and Earth Tech were the ones that came to mind. There must be
others.
Thanks much.
Liane
Liane J. Shekter Smith, P.E., Chief
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality
517-373-9523
** Effective August 12, 2013 my new number will be (517) 284-6543
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Date: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:43:00 PM
All —
| recently spoke with Randall Byrne (Treasury) and agreed to try to help them with a couple of items.
(Randy — sorry it’s taken me so long to get this note out).
1. Flint is considering selling the 72-inch pipeline. It was constructed in 1965 for $6.5M. How
would you determine fair market price for such an item? | suggested getting quotes from a
couple of contractors for what it would cost to install today and figure some kind of
depreciation for a 50 year old pipeline. Other ideas?
2. Highland Park is looking at contracting out their water department for the near future. At this
point, they would need a company that could manage their distribution system. Could you
please provide a list of names/companies that are already doing this kind of work around
the state? United Water and Earth Tech were the ones that came to mind. There must be
others.
Thanks much.
Liane
Liane J. Shekter Smith, P.E., Chief
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality
517-373-9523
** Effective August 12, 2013 my new number will be (517) 284-6543
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At 1:30 today Mike Prysby and | attended an unplanned conference call between Director Wyant and Treasurer
Dillon. Prior to the conference call | provided the director what ! had put together at that point (see email below).
There was follow up discussion with the Director following the call and in addition to the response below he would like
us to be prepared to discuss the following points:
1.
2.
3.
Can we say to Treasury that KWA is a cost effective option?
Can we say to Treasury that DWSD is a cost effective option?
Regulatory authority to allow/prevent water system breakups and local vs. state decisions about associated
costs
a. Besides Benton Township and Norton Shores/Fruitport what other systems have pulled out of a regional
system and what were the DW regulatory considerations?
How do/can we assess the dollar value on the benefits of a DWSD Regional water system vs. the cost
differential?
a. Inthe TYJT report, the status quo option for Flint with DWSD vs. KWA cost estimate differential is $172
million. ,
What unanswered questions do we have about the DWSD options in the TYJT report?
a. 8/12 Blend
b. 12/8 Blend
| am still planning on a ODWMA meeting/conference call tomorrow morning at 9:00 to address the above and
addend any additional comments before | provide a final response to the Director Wednesday afternoon in
preparation for Thursday meetings.
Call me if you have any questions.
Stephen Busch, P.E.
Lansing and Jackson District Supervisor
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
MDEQ
517-643-2314
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 3:44:38 PM
At 1:30 today Mike Prysby and | attended an unplanned conference call between Director Wyant
and Treasurer Dillon. Prior to the conference call | provided the director what | had put together at
that point (see email below).
There was follow up discussion with the Director following the call and in addition to the response
below he would like us to be prepared to discuss the following points:
1. Can we say to Treasury that KWA is a cost effective option?
2. Can we say to Treasury that DWSD is a cost effective option?
3. Regulatory authority to allow/prevent water system breakups and local vs. state decisions
about associated costs
a. Besides Benton Township and Norton Shores/Fruitport what other systems have
pulled out of a regional system and what were the DW regulatory considerations?
4. How do/can we assess the dollar value on the benefits of a DWSD Regional water system vs.
the cost differential?
a. Inthe TYJT report, the status quo option for Flint with DWSD vs. KWA cost estimate
differential is $172 million.
5. What unanswered questions do we have about the DWSD options in the TYJT report?
a. 8/12 Blend
b. 12/8 Blend
lam still planning on a ODWMA meeting/conference call tomorrow morning at 9:00 to address
the above and addend any additional comments before | provide a final response to the Director
Wednesday afternoon in preparation for Thursday meetings.
Call me if you have any questions.
Stephen Busch, P.E.
Lansing and Jackson District Supervisor
Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance
MDEQ
517-643-2314
| have only been involved with two plants temporarily to permanently shutting down. When Flint was test running their
plant twice per year, they would shut down temporarily for six months. Flatrock had a temporarily shut down that
became permanent.
Remembering these procedures, | believe you are on the right track. Definitely, remove all chemicals from lines and
feeders. | would strongly recommend getting ALL the chemicals out of the treatment plant. The chlorine cylinders
definitely should be relocated for the sake of security. The activated carbon and fluorosilicic acid are disasters waiting to
happen. The PAC is a fire hazard. The fluorosilicic acid is a spill and bio hazard. They may want to look at how to
properly dispose the chemicals. | don't think there is anybody in their right mind wanting old chemicals from the
Highland Park WTP.
Drain ALL the sludge and water from the sedimentation basins and sludge lines.
In both of the other shut down cases, water was kept in the filters at least to the height of the top of the media. In
Highland Park's situation, | say drain the filters and all associated lines in the filter gallery completely.
Other major issues are the raw and finished water reservoirs. The raw is self-draining at the expense of the neighbors.
The finished water reservoir may be another story.
Other issues are plant security and structural stability. The scrappers and thieves would have a field day. The city may
want to have the power to the plant shut off, and they may want to think about the transformers.
Let's talk about the issue tomorrow and Thursday.
Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:58:38 AM
Ihave only been involved with two plants temporarily to permanently shutting down. When Flint was test running
their plant twice per year, they would shut down temporarily for six months. Flatrock had a temporarily shut down
that became permanent.
Remembering these procedures, I believe you are on the right track. Definitely, remove all chemicals from lines and
feeders. I would strongly recommend getting ALL the chemicals out of the treatment plant. The chlorine cylinders
definitely should be relocated for the sake of security. The activated carbon and fluorosilicic acid are disasters
waiting to happen. The PAC is a fire hazard. The fluorosilicic acid is a spill and bio hazard. They may want to
look at how to properly dispose the chemicals. I don't think there is anybody in their right mind wanting old
chemicals from the Highland Park WTP.
Drain ALL the sludge and water from the sedimentation basins and sludge lines.
In both of the other shut down cases, water was kept in the filters at least to the height of the top of the media. In
Highland Park's situation, I say drain the filters and all associated lines in the filter gallery completely.
Other major issues are the raw and finished water reservoirs. The raw is self-draining at the expense of the
neighbors. The finished water reservoir may be another story.
Other issues are plant security and structural stability. The scrappers and thieves would have a field day. The city
may want to have the power to the plant shut off, and they may want to think about the transformers.
Let's talk about the issue tomorrow and Thursday.
----- Original Message-----
Highland Park wants to "properly" shut down their plant and keep it in reserve in the event they are able to generate
enough funds to fix everything and reopen it in the future. | need to give Highland Park some recommendations on how
to go about the shutdown. | was thinking dewater/dry everything out, winterize, remove chemicals, and then safely
secure the property. In reality there is not much to preserve but they want to go about the shut down the right way.
Has this been done before in michigan? Do you have any other
Thanks!
Kris
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