Nancy Kaffer

Hi Terry, sorry to hear that you're having personal issues. | hope everything is OK. Any information about what was discussed on those calls? Or contact info for the former treasurer? Sent from my iPhone

On March 25, former Treasurer Dillon had a call with Dennis Muchmore about Flint water, and the next day met with Dan Wyant and Dayne Walling separately about Flint — I’m wondering what was discussed — specifically, if the report the former treasurer had had done about the cost effectiveness of switching to the Karegnondi Water Authority was discussed —or if there’s any available documentation related to those calls or meetings? Best, Nancy Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press 313-222-6585 @nancykaffer, @abettermi xxxEND_PAGE:treasury01_b33_5236_5444_098 Dostine, Patrick (TREASURY)

Hey guys, I’m looking for the various Flint EMs’ quarterly reports, and not seeing them on the Treasury website. If they’re online somewhere, I’d appreciate a link; if not, it’d be great if you could email them over. Thanks! Nancy xxxEND_PAGE:treasury01_b33_5236_5444_083 Stanton, Terry A. (7 Teasury)

Nancy — Per our earlier conversation, I’d reiterate our heavy focus on ensuring and letting this task force can do their very important job of reviewing all actions related to Flint water. They are a bipartisan group of people of the highest integrity, experts in their fields and widely respected who are going to do a very thorough, objective review. Thanks, Sw Sara Wurfel, APR Press Secretary | Executive Office of Governor Rick Snyder wurfels@ michigan gov xxxEND_PAGE:executiveofficeemails21_b0587_1403_1403_1

Nancy, we belleve we've responded to your Inquiry and provided the information you requesied. As | mentioned before, we are working fo provide all necessary information to the afer action review task force, and the DEO is focused on moving forward and faking care of priorities in Flint. Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this issue.

The state doesn’t run municipal drinking water systems, but it does sign off on their plans for water treatrnent — yes? if the state’s assertion is that it mistakenly applied an arnbiguously worded standard, it seems to me that the existence of a report, in MDEQ's possession before the switch, that indicated the need for —and cast af - corrosion cantral should have prompted further investigation? Do you disagree? (BTW, per this report, phosphates would have cost $60 a day.} Nency Kaffer Columnist Detroli Free Press www.

The state coesn’t run municipal drinking water systems, but it does sign off on their plans for water treatment — yes? if the state’s assertion is that it mistakenly applied an ambiguously worded standard, it seems to me that the existence of a report, in MDEQ’s possession before the switch, that indicated the need for -— and cost of - corrosian contral should have prompted further investigation? Do you disagree? (BTW, per this report, phosphates would have cost $60 a day.} Nancy Kaffer Calumnist Detroit Free Press www freen com/abetiemmichigan 313-222-8588 @onancykafier, Mabettenni

These questions all make the presupposition thal the stale actually runs municipal drinking water systems. Every municipal drinking water system is required by law to have a certified operator on staff. In Filnt’s case, they added oulside expertise on 1 xxxEND_PAGE:executiveofficeemails20_b1184_2977_2978_1 contract as well as having a certified operator. The nuance in your question is the idea that they don't do anything locally without being told to do so by the State. Not the case atall. Plenty of systems around the state make adjustments to their drinking water sysiem within guidelines. The DEQ staff offer counsel and guidance, but State’s formal role is to serve as regulator, not operator. Flint commissioned the report you mentioned. If they ignored the recomrnendations in appendix of the report they commissioned, they can probably best explain why. Gur take was that Flint was to run two consecuive tests of the system to determine optimization needs. The U.S. EPA finally came out with its finished guidance on that and distributed it nationally this week. lve enclosed it. We were pleased that they acknowledged the Lead and Copper rule is worded ambiguously on continued corrosion control. The clarification will help Michigan anc every other state going forward. Your second questions also is more appropriately directed to Flint. The city made the decision to use the river, the historic backup, as their primary. DEQ’s role was to oversee necessary changes to the drinking water plant to ensure the water met Sefe Drinking Water standards. To your final question, | recall it was reintroduced when the Flint City Council voted 7-1 to join Karegnond!, and DWSD responded by sending Flint a one-year contract termination notice. Vvhile that notice was not a shutoff notice, f did signal that the contract rales for water would oe terminated and thus open for renegotiation. Bul again, this is @ question best addressed by the city. These issues will undoubtedly be considered by the Governors After Action Review Task Force. Until that review is finalized, we don't have much more to say about it, The DE is now focused on implementing the Governor’s 10-point plan to protect kids and families in Flint, which includes free tap filers for all city residents as a precaution, free home water testing and children’s blood tests for all city residents, and an unprecedented look at potential for lead exposure in the city schools, arnong other things. b Brad Wurfel Communications Director Michigan Department of Environmental Cuaiity 517-284-6713 ceil xxxEND_PAGE:executiveofficeemails20_b1184_2977_2978_2

Need a response by 4:30p. Nancy Keffer Columnist Detroit Free Press ww. freep com/abetiermichigan 313-222-6588 @nancykaffer, @abettermi

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Importance: High Hi, | see that Terry is out of the office so am forwarding to you. Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press www. 313-222-6585 @nancykaffer, @abetterm

Importance: High Hey Brad, Just want to make sure you got my voice mail. | have some follow up questions based on the FOIA’d material | received yesterday. Specifically: - By 2013, MDEQ had a 2011 Flint report about the prospect of using Flint River water as a drinking water source. That report includes an appendix that lists phosphates, which we all now know are used for corrosion control, in the list of chemicals that would be required to treat the water. With a report in hand stating phosphates should be used, why were they not required? - Based on the materials | received, the 2011 report comes up briefly in 2013, when the KWA switch was contemplated, then seems to drop out of the picture. Why was a report about the viability of the Flint River water as a drinking water source not part of the 2014 conversations about whether to switch to the river or to stay connected to DWSD? - Areport included in the material | FOIA’d said that by the end of 2012, Flint officials did not want to pursue the option of using the Flint River as a drinking water source. Why was it reintroduced? Need a response ASAP. This is for Sunday. Nancy Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press www. 313-222-6585 @nancykaffer, @abettermi xxxEND_PAGE:deq15_b307_1306_1306_1

The overarching point Nancy is that won't be necessary as we will share report/findings. We fully expect people to cooperate and freely offer information. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Kaffer, Nancy <i Thanks for the reply, Sara. Just to be clear: The governor's office considers itself exernpt fram FOIA, so if the report/findings/whatever you want to call it is delivered tc the governor, it will not be subject to FOIA? Does the task force have a budget to hire investigators? t's not a public body sa it doesn't have subpoena power, dght? Columnist Detroit Free Press www freen.o 313-222-6585 @nancykafier, @abettermi

Thanks for the reghy, Sara. Just to be clear: The gewernor’s office considers itself exernpt from FOIA, so if the report/findings/whatever you want to call itis delivered te the governor, it will rust be subject to FOIA? Does the task force have a budget to hire investigatars? {t's nota nublic body 30 it doesn’t have subpoena power, right? Nancy Kaffer Columnist Metralt Free Press wiv freen com/abellermichigan 313-222-8585 gonancykafier, @abettenni

So glad you dropped a note again, Nancy, Have no idea haw missed this earlier —anparently a flurry of emails ali the same thus. The task force has full independence and cur aeministration has slecped full and complete cocperation, Ht wil operate as transparently a5 possible and there are expected to be anportunities for publicinout. The goal ari mission is to conduct 4 thorough independent review of decisions and practices at the state, faderal and city level concerning water in Flint, The task fares isn't a public boely {it doesn’t make policy and doesn’t govern anything}. Theyre a grour of checdicated professionals who have volunteered to conduct an outside investigation of an issue ancd report recornmaendations anc findings ta the Governor, We fully plan on sharing that. Thanks and best, Sw

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Letme exnand on that .. didn't receive anything yesterday, it would be great to get a response or at least a response ETA today. © Thanks! Nancy Nancy Keffer Columnist Detrott Free Press 312-222-6585 @unancykeffer, @abettermi

Hi — didn’t receive anything yesterday. Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroll Free Press wen froep comvabettermichigan 343-222-6585 @mnancykeffer, abeitermi

So, the panel that’s looking at Flint — it reports to the governor, yes? Does that mean its reports/notes/interim work/final product won’t be subject to FOIA? N Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press xxxEND_PAGE:executiveofficeemails21_b0584_1396_1397_1 313-222-6585 @nancykaffer, @abettermi xxxEND_PAGE:executiveofficeemails21_b0584_1396_1397_2

Nancy, Check out ww i fer for all the latest inforrnation on the Flint water situation. ne OS15 S6PS 72946-- D0 hind UPL The initial schools screens are here: hindimi covdocumantsdeaFint Communiy Schools Testing Results i Sereen SO2882 | Sent: "Wednesday, October Fre SOLS di: 43 PM

Hey Brad — still looking for that lead test data for Flint schools. Advise on ETA? N Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press Se ac @nancykaffer, @abettermi xxxEND_PAGE:executiveofficeemails20_b1139_2893_2893_1

Last of the water samples was processed and analyzed in July. Notification letter went in August, informing the city they needed to optimize their system. Federal statute actually allows the municipality 18 months to develop optimization plan after they receive that letter

Hey Brad, Reviewing my notes from our conversation yesterday, I’m seeing a few holes — we covered a lot of ground. I’m writing on deadline for tomorrow, so if you can get me answers ASAP I’d really appreciate it. - You mentioned yesterday that the results of the January-June testing which showed test results in the 90" percentile at 11ppb started to come in in July. As you explained, lead greater than 5ppb requires the system to optimize corrosion control. When was Flint notified that they would need to optimize corrosion control? - If yes, why did they not then optimized implement corrosion control? - — If no, why not? Please call if this will be easier to cover on the phone. Best, Nancy Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press een com/abetierich 313-222-6585 @nancykaffer, @abettermi xxxEND_PAGE:deq15_b234_0665_0665_1

Importance: High Hey Brad, Reviewing my notes from our conversation yesterday, I’m seeing a few holes — we covered a lot of ground. I’m writing on deadline for tomorrow, so if you can get me answers ASAP I’d really appreciate it. - You mentioned yesterday that the results of the January-June testing which showed test results in the 90" percentile at 11ppb started to come in in July. As you explained, lead greater than S5ppb requires the system to optimize corrosion control. When was Flint notified that they would need to optimize corrosion control? - If yes, why did they not then optimized implement corrosion control? - — If no, why not? Please call if this will be easier to cover on the phone. Best, Nancy Nancy Kaffer Columnist Detroit Free Press we 313-222-6585 @nancykaffer, @abettermi xxxEND_PAGE:deq14_b0657_2087_2087_1

Seratch that- tell me a nurnber to call and /H try to patch John in? Nanoy Kaffer Sclumnist Hetrolt Free Press ww freep comv/abetienmichican 343-222-6585 fonancykaffer, @abetterni