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legislative inquiry on Flint water situation - request for a call

Importance: High Hello, Geralyn Lasher and Elizabeth Hertel have requested a call today if possible to discuss the Flint water situation. | know you had a call yesterday with Linda Dykema and some other staff so | apologize if this is redundant. Hopefully it will only take a few minutes to help us get on the same page about an appropriate response and any potential action steps. Is there a time today that will work for you? Please let me know and we will make it work on our end. | can be reached at 517 335-8701 if you have questions. Thank you! Mikelle Director, Bureau of Local Health and Administrative Services Population Health and Community Services Administration Department of Health and Human Services Robinsonml&8@michigan. gov xxxEND_PAGE:deq21_b506_1406_1407_2

legislative inquiry on Flint water situation - request for a call

Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 11:12:49 AM Importance: High Hello, Geralyn Lasher and Elizabeth Hertel have requested a call today if possible to discuss the Flint water situation. | know you had a call yesterday with Linda Dykema and some other staff so | apologize if this is redundant. Hopefully it will only take a few minutes to help us get on the same page about an appropriate response and any potential action steps. Is there a time today that will work for you? Please let me know and we will make it work on our end. | can be reached at 517 335-8701 if you have questions. Thank you! Mikelle Director, Bureau of Local Health and Administrative Services Population Health and Community Services Administration Department of Health and Human Services [email protected] xxxEND_PAGE:deq03_b274_0433_0433_1

RE: mayor walling"s comment

Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 1:47:00 PM It should be noted that the city does need to obtain a construction permit to install treatment. They have not yet applied for such a permit. So I’m not sure what the mayor means about us finally allowing them to proceed. The ball’s in their court. Liane J. Shekter Smith, P.E., Chief Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 517-284-6543

RE: mayor walling"s comment

Date: Friday, September 11, 2015 1:47:16 PM It should be noted that the city does need to obtain a construction permit to install treatment. They have not yet applied for such a permit. So I’m not sure what the mayor means about us finally allowing them to proceed. The ball’s in their court. Liane J. Shekter Smith, P.E., Chief Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance Michigan Department of Environmental Quality 517-284-6543

RE: mayor walling's comment

The City has not sent us their recommendation at this time. Per our 8/17 letter (attached), we recommended they select phosphate treatment which was previously provided by DWSD. They have until the end of the year to make a recommendation, put they are planning to have the treatment in place by Januery 2016. Their engineering consultant is working on this. Howard Croft noted this in his September 3 email to mernbers of the technical advisory team the City formed. Steohen Busch, PE. MDEQ Lansing District Coardinater Office af Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance Lansing and Jackson District Supervisor 527-643-2314

FW: mayor walling's comment

xxxEND_PAGE:deq18_b136_1267_1268_1 Brad: On his campaign Web site, Mayor Walling addresses a lot of water issues and states, “The Oly will be continuing fo optimize iis water freaimeni process including planning to use a corrosion inhibitor now thal iiis being allowed by the MDEQ.” Doo you Reve arry uvformnalion or wheal ihe corrosion Thanks, ior is and whether DEO has approved its use? Ron Fonger Miive Media Group Renorter mobile 810.347.9963 address 540 S. Saginaw St. #101, Flint MI 48502 xxxEND_PAGE:deq18_b136_1267_1268_2

RE: june 24 memorandum

Sorry this reply is so long. | dicin’t pian to de so, but | wanted to provide you with same information in case you feel the need to reply in part today. Brad, Mike Prysby is on annual leave for a counle of weeks, Steve Busch was in his Jackson office today and probably on his way home new, Liane tock this afterncon off to attend to personal business in Marshall, and Pat Cook is gone for the day. Do you need an answer today? Since this memo is based on the unofficial draft report, do we want to comment? We should probably meet to discuss before anyone responds. AS you know, we have agreed to disagree with EPA on a couple of the issues raised by this meme covering an unofficial EPA report. To begin, when the lead and copper rules (LOR) were first implemented, large oysterns were allowed to collect two sets of lead and copper samples in consecutive 6 month monitoring periods and if their 90" percentile lead level was within & milligrams per iter of the lead level in their source water, they did nat have to further “optirnize’ corrosion control treatment Vhen Flint changed water sources from the Great Lakes to an Inland river and employed water treaiment that was significantly different (orecipitative soffening vs. direct filtration} than that supplied by Detroit, we granted Flint as @ “new supply’ ihe same consideration to determine # their treatment already provided optimal corrosion control AS you know, their first @ month monitoring resulis complied with the Action Level for lead and were clase to demonstrating optimal corrosion control treaiment (OCCT), Since the city would be averaging resulfs from the two consecutive monitoring periods for the purnoses of OCCT determination, we awaited thelr second set of results fo see what they would reveal. After getting the second sei, it was determined that Flint was again in compliance with the iead and copper Action Level but they did net qualify as already practicing OCCT, Under the original requiatory schedule for implementing OCCT, a community serving more than 50,000 pecple was given a year to conduct treatment studies and submit them to DEQ. We then have 6 rnanths to review thelr stucies and designate thelr OCCT. They then have 2 years to install that treatment. During all that time, no monitoring is required, Our response to the concerns raised in thai memo bul siso more significantly, in formal discussions with Region & EPA Managers, was fo encourage Flint to not take the time we believe they were entitied to have for this process but to rave 2s quickly as possible to implement sarne OCCT. Second, we cantinue fo disagree with EPA on sampling protocols. We have attempted to ensure compllance with EPA guidance (| believe it was provided in the preamble to their lead and copper regulations} that said that household use should be “typical” for a rasicential customer on the day before sarnple collection for lead and copper. Early in the implementation of the LCR, we had encountered too many situations where compliance samples had been collected from kitchen and bethroom taps that had not been used in days and in SOMG CASES, even weeks, resulting in excessively stagnated water and correspondingly high lead levels that did not represent typical exposure expected afler overnight stagnation. Further complicating this issue was the media spectacie thet was arising over EPA's direct implemeniation of the LCR in Washington, D.C, where lead results were not always being included in compliance calculations and subsequenily, invalidation 1 xxxEND_PAGE:deq14_b0416_1610_1611_1 of samples was becorning more difficult. in order to avoid thet coriplicated process, we devised our currerit recornmendations for ensuring appropriate but net excessive stagnation for LCR monitoring. We continue to believe itis appropriate fo flush these taps the day before sample collection to simulate and/or ensure typical household use before ine tap is allowed to sit overnight to achieve the expected stagnation time the regulation stioulates (~8 hours} prior to collecting the first draw sample. The LCR does not say the result should represent the “absolute worst case” condition ~ it taiks about sampling the highest risk locations dead plurnbing, lead service lines, high lead content scider piping, etc.) after overnight stagnation and then collecting a first draw sample so as nol to flush elevaled lead from thal tap al that point in time. Unt EPA changes this rule, we are satisfied with our sampling protocol. larn leaving now, so you can use this information as you see fit, or walt until tornorrow fo discuss with Steve, Liane, Pat encime. We have an all-day ODWMA managers meeting starting at 9 AM Thursday, although Liane is also attending a meeting first thing In the morning with Jim Sygo, Bob Wagner and Jon Aden. Richard

8 - RE: june 24 memorandum

Sorry this reply is so long. I didn’t plan to do so, but! wanted to.provide you with some information in case you feel the need to reply in part today. Brad, - Mike Prysby is on annual leave for a couple. of weeks, Steve Busch was in his Jackson office today and - probably on his way home now, Liane took this afternoon off to attend to personal business in Marshall, and Pat Cook is gone for the day. Do you need an answer today? Since this memo is based on the unofficial draft report, do we want to comment? We should probably meet to discuss before anyone responds. As you know, we have agreed to disagree with EPA on a couple of the issues raised by this memo covering an unofficial-EPA report. To begin, when the lead and copper rules (LCR) were first implemented, large systems were allowed to. collect two sets of lead and copper samples in consecutive 6 month monitoring periods and if their 90" percentile lead level was within 5 milligrams per liter of the lead level in their source water, they did not have to further “optimize” corrosion control treatment. When Flint changed water sources from the Great Lakes to an inland river and employed water treatment that was signifi cantly : different (precipitative softening vs. direct filtration) than that supplied by Detroit, we granted Flint as a “new supply” the same consideration to: determine if their treatment already provided optimal corrosion control. As you know; théir first 6 month monitoring results complied with the Action Level for lead and were close to demonstrating optimal corrosion control treatment (OCCT). Since the city would be averaging results from the two consecutive monitoring periods for the purposes of OCCT determination, we awaited their second :set of results to see what they would reveal. After getting the second set, it was determined that Flint was again in compliance with the lead and copper Action Level but they did not qualify as already practicing OCCT. Under the original regulatory schedule for implementing OCCT, a cormmunibe serving more ‘than 50,000 people was given a year to conduct treatment studies and submit them to DEQ. We then have 6 months to review their studies and designate their OCCT. They then have 2 years to install that treatment. During all that time, no monitoring is. required. Our response to the concerns raised in that memo but also more significantly, in formal discussions with Region 5 EPA Managers, was to encourage Flint to not take the time we believe they were entitled to have for this process but to move as quickly as possible to implement some OCCT. Second, we continue to disagree with EPA on sampling protocols. We have attempted to ensure compliance with EPA guidance (I believe it was provided.in the preamble to their lead and copper regulations) that said that household use should be “typical” for a residential customer on the day before sample collection for lead and copper. Early in the implementation of the LCR, we had encountered too many situations where compliance samples had been collected from kitchen and bathroom taps that had not been used in days and in some cases, even weeks, resulting in excessively stagnated water and correspondingly high lead levels that did not represent typical exposure expected after overnight stagnation. Further complicating this issue was the media spectacle that was arising over EPA’s direct implementation of the LCR in Washington, D.C., 1 xxxEND_PAGE:deq27_b197_0925_0926_1 where lead results were not always being included in compliance calculations and subsequently, invalidation of samples was. becoming more difficult. In order to avoid that complicated process, we devised our current recommendations for ensuring appropriate but not excessive stagnation for LCR monitoring. We continue to believe it is appropriate to flush these taps the day before sample collection to simulate and/or ensure typical household use before the tap is allowed to sit overnight to achieve the expected stagnation time the regulation stipulates (~8 hours) prior to collecting the first draw sample. The LCR does not say the result should represent the “absolute worst case” condition — it talks about sampling the highest risk locations (lead, plumbing, lead service lines, high lead content solder piping, etc.) after overnight stagnation and then collecting a first draw sample so as not fo flush elevated lead from that tap at that point in allan Until EPA changes this rule, we are satisfied with our sampling protocol. | am leaving now, so you can use this information as you see fit, or wait until tomorrow to discuss with Steve, Liane, Pat and me. We have an all-day ODWMA managers meeting starting at 9 AM Thursday, although Liane is also attending a meeting first thing in the morning with Jim Sygo, Bob Wagner and Jon Allen. Richard

RE: june 24 memorandum

Date: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 6:36:27 PM Sorry this reply is so long. | didn’t plan to do so, but | wanted to provide you with some information in case you feel the need to reply in part today. Brad, Mike Prysby is on annual leave for a couple of weeks, Steve Busch was in his Jackson office today and probably on his way home now, Liane took this afternoon off to attend to personal business in Marshall, and Pat Cook is gone for the day. Do you need an answer today? Since this memo is based on the unofficial draft report, do we want to comment? We should probably meet to discuss before anyone responds. As you know, we have agreed to disagree with EPA on a couple of the issues raised by this memo covering an unofficial EPA report. To begin, when the lead and copper rules (LCR) were first implemented, large systems were allowed to collect two sets of lead and copper samples in consecutive 6 month monitoring periods and if their go" percentile lead level was within 5 milligrams per liter of the lead level in their source water, they did not have to further “optimize” corrosion control treatment. When Flint changed water sources from the Great Lakes to an inland river and employed water treatment that was significantly different (precipitative softening vs. direct filtration) than that supplied by Detroit, we granted Flint as a “new supply” the same consideration to determine if their treatment already provided optimal corrosion control. As you know, their first 6 month monitoring results complied with the Action Level for lead and were close to demonstrating optimal corrosion control treatment (OCCT). Since the city would be averaging results from the two consecutive monitoring periods for the purposes of OCCT determination, we awaited their second set of results to see what they would reveal. After getting the second set, it was determined that Flint was again in compliance with the lead and copper Action Level but they did not qualify as already practicing OCCT. Under the original regulatory schedule for implementing OCCT, a community serving more than 50,000 people was given a year to conduct treatment studies and submit them to DEQ. We then have 6 months to review their studies and designate their OCCT. They then have 2 years to install that treatment. During all that time, no monitoring is required. Our response to the concerns raised in that memo but also more significantly, in formal discussions with Region 5 EPA Managers, was to encourage Flint to not take the time we believe they were entitled to have for this process but to move as quickly as possible to implement some OCCT. Second, we continue to disagree with EPA on sampling protocols. We have attempted to xxxEND_PAGE:deq02_b353_3613_3615_1 ensure compliance with EPA guidance (I believe it was provided in the preamble to their lead and copper regulations) that said that household use should be “typical” for a residential customer on the day before sample collection for lead and copper. Early in the implementation of the LCR, we had encountered too many situations where compliance samples had been collected from kitchen and bathroom taps that had not been used in days and in some cases, even weeks, resulting in excessively stagnated water and correspondingly high lead levels that did not represent typical exposure expected after overnight stagnation. Further complicating this issue was the media spectacle that was arising over EPA’s direct implementation of the LCR in Washington, D.C., where lead results were not always being included in compliance calculations and subsequently, invalidation of samples was becoming more difficult. In order to avoid that complicated process, we devised our current recommendations for ensuring appropriate but not excessive stagnation for LCR monitoring. We continue to believe it is appropriate to flush these taps the day before sample collection to simulate and/or ensure typical household use before the tap is allowed to sit overnight to achieve the expected stagnation time the regulation stipulates (~8 hours) prior to collecting the first draw sample. The LCR does not say the result should represent the “absolute worst case” condition — it talks about sampling the highest risk locations (lead plumbing, lead service lines, high lead content solder piping, etc.) after overnight stagnation and then collecting a first draw sample so as not to flush elevated lead from that tap at that point in time. Until EPA changes this rule, we are satisfied with our sampling protocol. | am leaving now, so you can use this information as you see fit, or wait until tomorrow to discuss with Steve, Liane, Pat and me. We have an all-day ODWMA managers meeting starting at 9 AM Thursday, although Liane is also attending a meeting first thing in the morning with Jim Sygo, Bob Wagner and Jon Allen. Richard

RE: june 24 memorandum

Date: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 6:36:00 PM Sorry this reply is so long. | didn’t plan to do so, but | wanted to provide you with some information in case you feel the need to reply in part today. Brad, Mike Prysby is on annual leave for a couple of weeks, Steve Busch was in his Jackson office today and probably on his way home now, Liane took this afternoon off to attend to personal business in Marshall, and Pat Cook is gone for the day. Do you need an answer today? Since this memo is based on the unofficial draft report, do we want to comment? We should probably meet to discuss before anyone responds. As you know, we have agreed to disagree with EPA on a couple of the issues raised by this memo covering an unofficial EPA report. To begin, when the lead and copper rules (LCR) were first implemented, large systems were allowed to collect two sets of lead and copper samples in consecutive 6 month monitoring periods and if their go" percentile lead level was within 5 milligrams per liter of the lead level in their source water, they did not have to further “optimize” corrosion control treatment. When Flint changed water sources from the Great Lakes to an inland river and employed water treatment that was significantly different (precipitative softening vs. direct filtration) than that supplied by Detroit, we granted Flint as a “new supply” the same consideration to determine if their treatment already provided optimal corrosion control. As you know, their first 6 month monitoring results complied with the Action Level for lead and were close to demonstrating optimal corrosion control treatment (OCCT). Since the city would be averaging results from the two consecutive monitoring periods for the purposes of OCCT determination, we awaited their second set of results to see what they would reveal. After getting the second set, it was determined that Flint was again in compliance with the lead and copper Action Level but they did not qualify as already practicing OCCT. Under the original regulatory schedule for implementing OCCT, a community serving more than 50,000 people was given a year to conduct treatment studies and submit them to DEQ. We then have 6 months to review their studies and designate their OCCT. They then have 2 years to install that treatment. During all that time, no monitoring is required. Our response to the concerns raised in that memo but also more significantly, in formal discussions with Region 5 EPA Managers, was to encourage Flint to not take the time we believe they were entitled to have for this process but to move as quickly as possible to implement some OCCT. Second, we continue to disagree with EPA on sampling protocols. We have attempted to xxxEND_PAGE:deq02_b352_3610_3612_1 ensure compliance with EPA guidance (I believe it was provided in the preamble to their lead and copper regulations) that said that household use should be “typical” for a residential customer on the day before sample collection for lead and copper. Early in the implementation of the LCR, we had encountered too many situations where compliance samples had been collected from kitchen and bathroom taps that had not been used in days and in some cases, even weeks, resulting in excessively stagnated water and correspondingly high lead levels that did not represent typical exposure expected after overnight stagnation. Further complicating this issue was the media spectacle that was arising over EPA’s direct implementation of the LCR in Washington, D.C., where lead results were not always being included in compliance calculations and subsequently, invalidation of samples was becoming more difficult. In order to avoid that complicated process, we devised our current recommendations for ensuring appropriate but not excessive stagnation for LCR monitoring. We continue to believe it is appropriate to flush these taps the day before sample collection to simulate and/or ensure typical household use before the tap is allowed to sit overnight to achieve the expected stagnation time the regulation stipulates (~8 hours) prior to collecting the first draw sample. The LCR does not say the result should represent the “absolute worst case” condition — it talks about sampling the highest risk locations (lead plumbing, lead service lines, high lead content solder piping, etc.) after overnight stagnation and then collecting a first draw sample so as not to flush elevated lead from that tap at that point in time. Until EPA changes this rule, we are satisfied with our sampling protocol. | am leaving now, so you can use this information as you see fit, or wait until tomorrow to discuss with Steve, Liane, Pat and me. We have an all-day ODWMA managers meeting starting at 9 AM Thursday, although Liane is also attending a meeting first thing in the morning with Jim Sygo, Bob Wagner and Jon Allen. Richard

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